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  • PRO

    As comfortable as regular clothes. ... Sources:...

    Uniforms at School!

    "Maybe. But with no statistics on what the bully would do, (Look for new things to make fun of him for or just stop) We can't use your argument as an assertion or proof that it will reduce bullying." I agree. However it is entirely likely that the only reason the bully was picking on the kid in the first place was because of what the kid was wearing. If clothing no longer mattered then this would no longer be a problem. "I really don't think that'd be a valid solution to the bullying problem, having a child stay home and hide doesn't seem like a very practical solution." Well you suggested that bullies would bully somebody over the weekends. I'm suggesting that the bully would not want to waste time looking for somebody to bully over the weekends. Usually this is done at school. But this is getting off topic. This debate is about uniforms. "And yet again, a person who cares deeply about how they look does not enjoy wearing an uncomfortable uniform. For example, girls often have to wear dresses or skirts, when they might feel more comfortable in trousers, and boys often have to wear button-up shirts and ties, which can also be uncomfortable for active children." Somebody who wore uniforms all his/her life would not nothing else. In other words, there would be different expectations on clothing and people would not feel uncomfortable. "Over what period of time?" Days, weeks, months. It varies. "Well, I did say that students who are self conscious about how they look would feel ridiculous in normal clothing let alone school uniforms. But I shall also assert that they are uncomfortable." Maybe uniforms are uncomfortable. Does that mean people have to be comfortable for every hour of their lives? Also, I would like to point out that with modern technology, uniforms can become very comfortable. As comfortable as regular clothes. "That's the point. There is not only one way to respect your area of education. Notice Pro has also ignored the question on why it is important to respect your school, rather than having a neutral view on it." Children get free education at school so yes, they should respect the school. "How do you think the Government would afford this? Where is the omens for this going to come from? It' not as if the Government has a magic pot of gold to fill every desire." For some reason, the government can afford tens of thousands of dollars on sports. New soccer and football fields every 10 years or so. So yes, I think the government/school can afford the money for uniforms. "Why not apply the same logic to dress codes? If the students always have dress codes, then they would get used to it. This could be comparable to getting used to uniforms." Students don't listen to dress codes. That is a big problem today. Also, if there were uniforms then there would be no need for dress codes. "Really. Show me your source that says this." Show me some sources that say otherwise. When I went to school, there were many people who noticeably wore different clothes every day (including shoes). Many people even admitted to wearing 7 different outfits per week. "The point was that you never justified taking away their rights to express themselves." There are many different ways to express yourself. My opponent will have to show that it is impossible to express yourself when kids have to wear uniforms. "I'm waiting to here back from Pro now. Many of the arguments/Questions were simply dropped." This is untrue. I responded to all of my opponents arguments. However it seems that my opponent has conceded to a couple of my arguments. I provided statistics that suggest that students do better at school if uniforms were put into place. Also, I explained how students who wear uniforms at school will learn how to dress appropriately when they have a job in the future. My opponent mostly responded to my arguments. He presented few of his own. I have shown that uniforms help students succeed. My opponent has shown that students would be unhappy if they were forced to wear uniforms. I countered this argument by showing that if students had never known anything besides uniforms then they would not be unhappy. My opponent constantly tried to say that I presented no proof. However my opponent didn't present too much either. He did not prove that bullies would find something else to bully about if a student wore uniforms. Also, my opponent never really proved that bullies would purposely try and seek out the person they want to bully over the weekends. This is all I have left to say. I would like to thank my opponent for this debate. Sources: http://www.greatschools.org...

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  • PRO

    That doesn't make them harmless. ... Because of such, I...

    School uniforms

    REBUTTALS: " It is unlikely that all schools can be outfitted with fair trade clothing, since the US alone have 50 million children at school age . " The debate is weather school uniforms are beneficial or not to children in school. I am not saying that all schools should have them, so this argument is invalid. I am arguing how uniforms can be good, not how every school should have them. "You clearly state that the uniform would be worn at school while other clothes are worn outside of school. Since clothing needs to be washed at LEAST every two days, regardless how long you wear it on a particular day, due to the smell of sweat, the uniforms will in no way reduce the number of clothing pieces the pupils wear." But children would buy less clothes, they will still have clothes but less. This will be due to the fact they no longer have to wear a different pair of clothes each day. "For similar reasons, you need more than one set of uniform. You cannot wear one set of uniform for an entire week without washing. So you need more than one set of uniform, at least doubling the cost you claim. you claim that the clothing need not get dirty, but we are discussing children here. Many will be careless." First of all, you need to put a capital letter at the beginning of a sentence. If they are careless they won't wash it. And even if they do, this will be good for them. It will teach them responsibility, and if they don't want to use a washer, they can hand wash it themselves. This will give them more work, which teaches them many lessons. "By the numbers, even if only 10% of all children needed a sponsor, this would mean 5 million children, and by the cost we have established, this would equal 150$ x 2 (two sets) x 5 000 000 = 1.5 BILLION DOLLARS. This money would easily be better invested in books and computers. I also doubt there will be enough sponsors for that demand." Even if there weren't, they would at least help a family a bit. This would at least help them get the uniforms for less. "As established above, school uniforms are ADDITIONAL clothing. So they will also mean an additional poisoning the environment. Clothes in the numbers listed above are only produced on pre-order, so this is additional toxic waste." As mentioned above, this is not a debate saying all schools should have uniforms, it is a debate to explain why it would be beneficial. Also, if people bought less clothes, uniforms would take over of the carbon foot print created by normal clothes, which wouldn't add too much. And other things would add on either way. "But there's MORE clothes to wash, as shown above." It would be less, since you would buy less clothes, as I have been mentioning this entire debate. "That doesn't make them harmless. Even completely bio-degradable detergents cause problems" With no uniforms, children would have more clothes to wash, making them use these detergents even more. "But by your own account you argued there was no need to go against child labour, if it didn't make much of a difference. You're making up arguments opportunistically, to fit your very need. This is a contradiction. Also, I highly doubt that bullying would be effected in the least, as bullying because of clothing is just an expression of moral defects in the bullies. What you claim would be the equivalent of saying that giving a man in the rain a torn umbrella was better than nothing - yet he will be completely soaked, as the umbrella doesn't actually help getting the man out of the rain. Bullying must be counteracted with awareness programs, not by forcing children to wear clothes they did not chose for themselves - which is in itself a kind of suppression. How can suppressing your freedom protect you from your freedom being suppressed by bullies? In the end, bullies who didn't want the school uniforms will pick on the same children AGAIN because they have to wear these uniforms BECAUSE of their complaints about bullying. This will seriously not solve the problem." Uniforms only make you follow the rules in school. It teaches discipline, and only removes the freedom of clothing. This isn't even a freedom! Clothes are things you wear, and nothing more, so people shouldn't complain about not being able to wear something, if they all do the same thing. Your 2nd last sentence made no sense. Children would not end up wearing uniforms because someone complained about bullying! I am just saying that it would weaken bullying, and you have no effective way to counteract this. "Read "The Wave", an accurate account of an experiment on fascism conducted in a school some decades ago. Uniforms bring groups closer together and in conflict with other groups. That is why football teams have uniforms and mascots. This is to make them try harder to defeat the "others". Uniforms exist for discernment, or DISCRIMINATION as a synonym. It creates borders, dividing groups and creating group identities set against each other." It does not create borders, it is but a way to keep a school in discipline. And as you said they bring people together. It is better to have 1 friend and various enemies than to have no friends at all. "If parents were able to protect their children, there would be no bullying because of clothing right now, either. Parents cannot achieve this, nor can teachers." Parents don't always protect, but uniforms give them a smaller worry to have to. I have said this the entire debate. And you are unable to counteract it. "This is a circular argument. You DEFINE school uniforms as "appropriate" and other clothing as "inappropriate". Then you go on to explain that appropriate clothing is better, hence uniforms are better. Most schools have regulations against "revealing" clothing, and children break these rules. What makes you believe that a rule to wear school uniforms would fare any better? " Not wearing uniforms have a greater consequence. So since they would wear their uniforms, they would be too worried to dress inappropriately. "How about parents - you gave responsibility to them with your "walking home" argument above - simply teach their children not to be so picky about their clothes? Ultimately, your "argument" is a disguised repetition of your - self-admittedly weak - bullying argument. Children need to pick clothes carefully because of the fear of bullying. It wouldn't be long before bullying took another form, for instance freckles or spots. Then the same amount of time would be needed to cover those up before class, resulting in the same problem of sleep-deprivation. Bullying exists and is undesirable, so pupils subjected to it will always try to find ways to counteract it. These protective measures will always consume time. So if bullying is not ended, there will not be additional time for sleep. Here's a simple solution to the sleep problem, though: pick clothes the evening before, have them ready when you wake up. No hasty decisions needed in the morning while you are not yet fully functional due to sleep-deprivation." Some people have a lot to do the evening before, which doesn't give them time to. So in the morning they do. With uniforms you wouldn't have this problem of having to choose. Summarize: Uniforms would be beneficial for students and their learning patterns. This would be also help them with responsibility. Furthermore, it would weaken bullying. Children would have less clothes, saving them money, and all parents would be able to afford them. My opponent was unable to effectively render any of my arguments invalid. Furthermore, he tries to always bring everything back to the "bullying" aspect, and while he does so, he completely ignores the argument he is supposed to be rebutting. Also, he put a lower case letter various times at the beginning of his sentences. Because of such, I urge you to vote for pro.

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  • PRO

    True, true, but I go to a school where we have uniforms...

    Uniforms in school

    True, true, but I go to a school where we have uniforms and we often have non-uniform days so that we can still get to express our creativity. I certainly get where you are coming from though. Uniforms are also most of the time cheaper. For example you could just spent $150 on uniforms but spend $500 on regular clothes. I am still for uniforms.

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  • PRO

    Then there is also the the respect factor, without...

    School Uniforms

    There is no way to show that conformity at a young age, elementary school and some high schools, would make children machines. Discipline is important at an early age in a child's life. Without Discipline, children will grow up not knowing how to face certain obstacles. Then there is also the the respect factor, without discipline it can be said that there will not be respect for others. According to lbschools.net, Schools where uniforms are required have seen a 95 percent decrease in crime, 90 percent decrease in suspensions, and vandalism on school property decreased by 69 percent. Also in Long Beach, California, where school uniforms are required almost everywhere since 1995, the average cost of uniforms per year is roughly $60 to $70.

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/School-Uniforms/32/
  • PRO

    Yes, we can nurture creativity in younger schools, but...

    School Uniforms

    I don't believe they would be learning how to dress themselves appropriately. Having a school dress code will just make them feel more restricted. Girls these days can't even wear knee high shorts to school because boys "find it distracting." Girls are taken out of exams and tests because they are "distracting." Because of the way girls dress even with a dress code is "distracting" and apparently their school education needs to be evoked from them until they put a sweatshirt on or get longer pants. Really? That's just wrong. With school uniforms no teacher can say a girl or boy is being "distracting." They are wearing the exact same thing. Yes, we can nurture creativity in younger schools, but once they get older they should know how to be responsible and how to dress outside of school, and school uniforms will help with that. Because they won't be dressing recklessly with their uniforms(because dress code would be enforced) they will know how to apply modesty to their everyday clothing once outside of Because they won't be dressing recklessly with their uniforms(because dress code would be enforced) they will know how to apply modesty to their everyday clothing once outside of school.

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/School-Uniforms/75/
  • PRO

    Nobody want's to be judged by how they look as it would...

    school uniforms

    I would first like to thank Kai11 for challenging me to this debate. School uniforms are a necessity in everyday life as, it helps people not to be classed by how good their clothes look, or if they are poor, rich etc. Nobody want's to be judged by how they look as it would be degrading to that person if they are then compared to one of the richest people in school. Not having school uniforms would also create distrust among the students as they would all be split up into groups based on how much money they have and how 'good' they look, the school would basically be divided into sections. This would make it harder for teacher also as they would not be able to keep track of everything that is going on. School uniforms also makes it easier for the school to keep track of it's students when you go on excursions, if you are all in different clothes it would make it harder for teachers to find out who are the students and who are the children walking past them on the road! This is all I have time for at the moment!

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/school-uniforms/39/
  • PRO

    14] [66] Brunsma also found a "negative effect of...

    School Uniforms are unnecessary

    1) School uniforms cost a lot money https://www.gov.uk... 2) Also, most students despise school, so why would they want to have a memoir of being part of a school. Any ways, when they have finished school, they're not going to keep the uniform as there is no need of it any more 3) Evidence: A 2007 peer-reviewed study found that "school uniforms increased the average number of assaults by about 14 [per year] in the most violent schools." [26] A 1999 Texas Southern University study found that school discipline incidents rose by about 12% after the introduction of uniforms. [14] According to the Miami-Dade County Public Schools Office of Education Evaluation and Management, fights in middle schools nearly doubled within one year of introducing mandatory uniforms. [72] [73] David L. Brunsma, PhD, Professor of Sociology at Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University (Virginia Tech), co-authored a study that analyzed a national sample of 10th graders and found "no effects of uniforms on absenteeism, behavioral problems (fights, suspensions, etc.), or substance use on campus" and "no effects" on "pro-school attitudes, academic preparedness, and peer attitudes toward school." [14] [66] Brunsma also found a "negative effect of uniforms on academic achievement," and later found that uniforms were equally ineffective on elementary students and eighth graders. [14] A 2009 peer-reviewed study found "no significant effects of school uniforms on performance on second grade reading and mathematics examinations, as well as on 10th-grade reading, mathematics, science, and history examinations... [I]n many of the specifications, the results are actually negative." [2] 4) Students oppose school uniforms. Evidence: A 2012 peer-reviewed study by researchers at the University of Nevada at Reno found that 90% of seventh and eighth grade public school students did not like wearing uniforms. [25] A 2007 survey of Harford County, MD public school students found that 87.9% of the students were opposed to uniforms. [9] In the year following the introduction of mandatory school uniforms to the Long Beach (CA) Unified School District, 81% of middle school students said uniforms did not reduce fights, 76% said they did not help them fit in at school, 69% said they did not make them feel more connected with the school community, and 71% said they felt no safer travelling to and from school. That is why I believe school uniforms aren't necessary and are no help to our education except to make us look smart and all the same.

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/School-Uniforms-are-unnecessary/1/
  • PRO

    I'm sorry that you were bullied, and I understand that...

    School Uniforms

    I'm sorry that you were bullied, and I understand that bullies may look for different ways to target people when they don't have appearance to pick on. But I know this is a terrible thing to say, but bullying is inevitable, all we can try to do is limit the sunjects of bullying. I am bullied in school because of my clothing and because of who I am. And if our school would enforce school uniforms, I kknow that it wouldn't only be me who would benefit from bullies stopping from making fun of our clothing. And yes, these 'helpful' uniforms are helpful, again I'm sorry you were bullied, but you can't ignore all of the other positive sides of school uniforms becuase you were bullied. And you said "clothes have no part with that" when refering to bullying, but I disagree. I along with many other people at my school are bullied because of our clothing. Clothing most definitely does have to do with the topics bullies pick to target people. I also believe that clothing is not the way to show other people how you feel. Other people should know how you feel becuase you chose to vocalize your opinions.

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/School-Uniforms/54/
  • PRO

    For my opponent's first point, I would like to ask for...

    School Uniforms

    First, I would like to thank my opponent for instigating this debate. For my opponent's first point, I would like to ask for clarification as I am afraid that I do not entirely understand it. While I agree that the majority of students, when prompted, would respond that they don't like For my opponent's first point, I would like to ask for clarification as I am afraid that I do not entirely understand it. While I agree that the majority of students, when prompted, would respond that they don't like school, I do not see how that is relevant to the argument. If anything, it serves to highlight the fact that children do not always know what is best for them. If they cannot even see the benefits of a good education, how can they be expected to accurately assess the benefits of a uniform? For my opponent's second point, I would also like to ask for clarification. I made the assumption that we were discussing public schools but your mentioning of school fees seems more like a private school argument. To be on the safe side, I will address both. When it comes to private schools, if a family cannot accept the terms and conditions of the school, including costs and uniforms, it can easily have its children attend a public school. Private school is a privilege, not a right, which already restricts applicants to those who can pay the price. In regards to public school, there are programs akin to free or reduced lunch and textbook programs that can provide for additional requirements like uniforms. "Most of the schools receiving federal money for low-income students also have clothes closets." [1] These federally funded closets are what allow for every student regardless of financial situation to have what is required for the optimal learning environment. Even for those that do not receive aid from the school system, uniforms can be an affordable alternative to the outlandish prices that one might pay for a single pair of jeans. Tulsa school systems report that a whole uniform costs about $15, and places where uniforms are more prominent are running lower prices still. In the UK, a basic school uniform can be found for as little as �5, approximately $8 US currency [2]. For my opponent's third argument I am a bit confused as to how segregation is a form of limiting students' looks. I was under the impression that segregation was a way to amplify the differences in appearance between groups of people, not reduce them. And while I agree that students will always find a way to make fun of each other, school uniforms give them fewer ways to do so. Two of the main reasons that children are bullied are because of appearance and social status [3]. With school uniforms, students will be relatively unable to tell who is wealthy and who is poor, effectively cutting back on that type of bullying unless the students themselves wish to disclose their financial statuses. For my opponent's fourth argument, while dressing children up in "fancy" clothes may not make them directly more dedicated to school, it may work in an indirect way. When children see their parents dress appropriately for work, and then dress similarly themselves, they tend to feel more mature and business-like. In the same way, when they are dressed the same as other children it would serve to reason that they feel more united. Instead of the "us" and "them" as preps and jocks it would be more of an "us" and "them" as our school and their school. Thank you for this debate and I look forward to your response. My sources are as follows: [1] http://www.newson6.com... [2] http://www.bbc.co.uk... [3] http://kidshealth.org...

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  • PRO

    They take colors as a part of their life and if they see...

    School Uniforms

    It is not against the law for schools to limit students freedom of expression. Its done is no many schools, if it was illegal many schools would have gotten in trouble for forcing students to wear uniforms. school uniforms help grades. 93% of students concentrate more when wearing uniforms. It is a true fact students' grades go up by 34% and there is also less bullying going on in schools. It is clothing that promotes violence. If you grew up around gang violence you would know that they classify each other by color, they rep a certain color. Ex. Cholos=Black, Surenos=Blue, La primera=white. They take colors as a part of their life and if they see someone rep another color they most likely start conflict with them. Its the reality of gangs and violence. And how can they learn whats right and whats wrong when they are worried about fighting the cholos? Obviously free dress would be a distraction. Many kids do get bullied because they can't afford brand clothing. Im sorry if you grew up getting nice clothes, but do you not realize that not everybody can afford those clothes? And there is incidents where kids get bullied about it as if its their fault they cant afford some Jordans. Or is it the kids fault they dont have enough clothes to show up with something new every school day? NO. And bullying because of clothing is part of this debate. I cannot tie them together if they already are tied together. It will not prevent bullying entirely obviously, but it will decrease the bullying rate. http://factspluslogic.com... The reasons for requiring uniforms are: 1) It promotes identity with the school and class, which emphasizes the common educational purpose. It puts everyone in the same boat so they are more likely to help each other succeed. This is a reason why players on sports teams wear identical uniforms. It would suffice to identify the team players if, say, one team wore predominantly red and the other predominantly blue, or even just predominantly dark and light. Yet there is widespread agreement that having identical uniforms is important for the team psychology. 2) It removes the distractions of fashion trends and fashion competition from school hours, thereby reinforcing the educational purpose of the enterprise. It helps students focus. 3) It teaches boys to be neat and girls to be attractive. 4) It encourages students to evaluate people by their behavior and personality rather than by their manner of dress. 5) It allows individuals to express themselves in fashion outside of school... http://www.sanduskyregister.com... Roughly 160,000 children miss school daily due to to fear of attack and or intimidation by other students. Because everyone would be dressed the same, students would not be bullied because of their clothing. In addition, uniforms promote safety because if an intruder walked into school, it would be easier to spot them because they would not be wearing the uniform. http://www.eduguide.org... In a 1996 Long Beach, Calif. speech, former President Bill Clinton announced his support of that district's uniform initiative. "School uniforms are one step that may help break the cycle of violence, truancy and disorder by helping young students understand what really counts is what kind of people they are," Clinton said. It didn't take much more than this presidential nod of approval to get the uniform ball rolling in many school districts across the country. Requiring all students to wear the same cardigans, slacks or skirts is a practice employed throughout history and all over the world. England, for example, even required uniforms in all public schools for a time. Recently, it seems American schools desperate for peace and order are willing to follow this trend in order to get their students on the right track. Present statistics in the Long Beach district seem to support the claim that the clothes students wear can affect the crime rate. Now, three years later, many districts have followed suit with public schools in Chicago, Dallas, Sacramento, Phoenix, Seattle, Kansas City, Memphis, Baltimore and Atlanta all making the jump to mandatory uniforms. The issue of school uniforms, whether in a private or public school, is not clear-cut. They seem to work best when whole school communities discuss and agree upon a policy and then enforce it. And most proponents agree that requiring uniforms will only bring success if other programs accompany it. Uniforms may be a part of the solution, but they are not the only way to improve schools. https://www.frenchtoast.com... "Uniforms take the competition out of dress In the past decade there has been a dramatic increase in the flamboyance of the everyday outfitting of school age kids. Price tags are in. In some neighborhoods, it's the "thing" to wear the price tag on the garment. What you pay for something is the status symbol. There is heavy competition for dressing "right" and the peer pressure to perform and conform is incredible. Many students take after-school jobs to maintain their own style. Often these paychecks go right onto their backs and are not used for saving for the future or some other primary goal. A part time job is not the issue here. The reason behind the job is our concern. As a school turns to mandated uniforms, all of the above becomes moot. All of the students look the same, at a base level. Concentration returns to who you are, rather than what you are wearing, or what you can afford. Students are less immersed in keeping up with today's trends. It's time to eliminate from schools the status and respect many students give to clothing labels and price tags. Student attention needs to return to learning in the classroom, rather than how they look when they are in that classroom. Mandated uniforms can serve to shift the emphasis from competition back to academic performance and personal achievement.

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/School-Uniforms/61/

CON

  • CON

    School Uniforms are very poor for this world. ... And...

    School Uniforms

    School Uniforms are very poor for this world. One, they take a way personality. Two, everyone would be in the same colors. And three, there would be no entire student body that would be jumping and partying for uniforms.

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  • CON

    Not discouraged by restricting uniforms. ... If schools...

    School Uniforms

    School uniforms limit creativity in children. Creativity needs to be encouraged in young children. Not discouraged by restricting uniforms. If schools are worried about the appropriateness of student's clothing they could impose a dress code to insure appropriate attire.

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  • CON

    First off, Pro states in his opening argument that his...

    School Uniforms

    I don't have much time so I need to make this argument quick, and I hope that you and the voters understand that. First off, Pro states in his opening argument that his school uses the uniforms and then goes on to list the prices for them. This isn't backed up with any evidence, and Pro states that kids blow money on these designer jeans and such. Remember, no one is forcing them to spend this money on those jeans, unlike school systems. A student can get a nice pair of jeans and t-shirts from walmart for about 10-15 dollars, whereas khakis, (stated in pros arguments) are the cheapest at 20, double the price. You must also remember that the student attending private school will need to buy 2-3 pairs of the uniforms for a week, and the money they happen to save on clothes will go into washing the uniforms. The other issue with the money argument is the fact that dress codes are used exclusively in private or religious schools, both of which cost money to attend. So is it really cheaper to pay for a tuition to private First off, Pro states in his opening argument that his school uses the uniforms and then goes on to list the prices for them. This isn't backed up with any evidence, and Pro states that kids blow money on these designer jeans and such. Remember, no one is forcing them to spend this money on those jeans, unlike school systems. A student can get a nice pair of jeans and t-shirts from walmart for about 10-15 dollars, whereas khakis, (stated in pros arguments) are the cheapest at 20, double the price. You must also remember that the student attending private school will need to buy 2-3 pairs of the uniforms for a week, and the money they happen to save on clothes will go into washing the uniforms. The other issue with the money argument is the fact that dress codes are used exclusively in private or religious schools, both of which cost money to attend. So is it really cheaper to pay for a tuition to private school and pay for fancy clothes? This is all the time I have for this round, I apologize for keeping it so short, and I promise to come back with stronger and more extensive arguments next round.

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  • CON

    Uniforms main purpose is to make everyone look...

    School Uniforms

    Thanks for the apology, what whats done is done. I still firmly believe that school uniforms should be banned. For one of my points I think that they are detrimental to adult development. How we express ourselves through our clothing helps us define ourselves. Wearing the same clothes every single day takes huge toll on our transition into adulthood. Wearing a uniform also is a big factor in youth depression. Imaging being a teen girl, staring into the school bathroom mirrors with tears in her eyes because a couple of the "popular girls" were just making fun of her. Uniforms main purpose is to make everyone look homogeneous (the same) but in fact they do the exact opposite. When everyones wearing the same thing you would image they all look the same. Thats totally wrong. Everyone has different body types, weights and heights. After a recent study I have discovered that almost every girl that wears a school uniform is often embarrassed to go to school wearing those clothes. Also most people think that uniforms try to desexualize youth, It does the exact the opposite. When those students come home they feel ugly. They're looking for someone to think that they look attractive, it drives them to wear less and less clothing every day.

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/School-Uniforms/54/
  • CON

    Schools uniforms provide a sense of pride and respect,...

    School uniforms should be banned

    Hello Fellow debater and viewers. This argument, as stated above, is about whether school uniforms should or shouldn't be banned. I, visheshk, will be against this. Let us begin. School uniforms give a sense of discipline. Non-school uniforms are more free, which is not always a good thing. Schools uniforms provide a sense of pride and respect, whereas non-school uniforms are less so. If you attended a 'mufti' school, if would be hard to choose what exactly to wear. In normal schools, student have a certain code which is mandatory to wear everyday, making life easier.

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/School-uniforms-should-be-banned/4/
  • CON

    A 1999 study conducted by experts from Texas Southern...

    school uniforms

    If you thought that requiring all students to wear uniforms can lessen the chances of bullying, you are dead wrong! In fact, it can actually increase the incidence of bullying, especially in school districts where violence rates are soaring. A 1999 study conducted by experts from Texas Southern University showed that bullying incidents increased by as much as 12%, after the implementation of mandatory uniform wearing. Echoing this sentiment is a 2007 study published in the Southwest Journal of Criminal Justice. According to the research, assaults increased by as much as 14 incidences yearly, right after the introduction of school uniforms. A similar finding was discovered by the Office of Education, Evaluation, and Management of the Miami-Dade County. Violence, especially in the middle schools, increased by a hundredfold after the students were required to wear uniforms.

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/school-uniforms/81/
  • CON

    school uniforms

    school uniforms

    school uniforms

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  • CON

    School Uniforms shouldn't be required for many reasons....

    School Uniforms Shouldn't be Required.

    School Uniforms shouldn't be required for many reasons. For one School Uniforms oppress the creativity and the freedom of speech students have to wear what they like when they like. Secondly forcing students to wear school uniform may still cost more, the average price for a school uniform for secondary school in the UK is "285 and for primary school, is "156.[1]Thirdly the fact that uniforms are all the same may suggest to children that we must all conform to the same standards. This fact alone combined with the other points I am suggesting clearly shows that school uniforms are an unnecessary expense. Sources: 1) http://www.dailymail.co.uk...

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  • CON

    Wearing uniforms to school, such as karate club uniforms...

    Uniforms should be worn in school

    I will take up the challenge. The definition of uniform is: "A distinctive set of clothing intended to identify the members of a specific group." [1] By this definition, I do not think uniforms should be worn in school, from the view point of improving the students' education. Wearing uniforms to school, such as karate club uniforms or basketball uniforms, encourages cliques and groups to form. Cliques lead to all sorts of problems, such as bulling, exclusion, and more. Also, flaunting social status becomes easier with uniforms. Therefore, uniforms should not be worn in school. [1] http://www.thefreedictionary.com...

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  • CON

    So which is it my opponent? ... These experiments given...

    School uniforms should be required

    I would like to thank my opponent once again for this debate and shall begin Round 2. http://en.wikipedia.org... My opponent fails to realize that the vast majority of private schools are operated by religious organizations. The government imposing such rules upon these private schools would be breaking the same rule it would to give these schools funding; the establishment clause of the first amendment. http://en.wikipedia.org... I also ask the reader to look at how easily my opponent is willing to change the constitution. Hasty decisions like that should not be made, especially with the facts I've presented in this first round along with future rounds. 1.) That's true, many students do not want to go to school at all, or learn certain subjects, or do homework. However, all of those things are imposed because they are proven to help students learn better and become better along with more intelligent members of society. The difference between this and school uniforms is school uniforms are unproven in proving such things. My opponent named some things that students can do to help each other to succeed in education are nice, but school uniforms are not needed to implement such concepts. It's ironic my opponent brings up the debate team as I am a current member of my own high school's debate team for the last three years. However, my opponent fails to mention that when I talk about school being about individualism that it's IN the classroom. The things my opponent name all occur outside of class or are already class rules such as providing a respectful participatory learning environment for others. Creativity is certainly suppressed when students are not allowed to dress the way they want within certain school dress codes (that do not include school uniforms). Discipline is more focused on in Military schools, not public school where education and becoming well rounded students through learning are #1. My opponent fails to realize that school uniforms hinder maturity because it doesn't force the student to dress correctly by their own means in a manner that is okay under the guidelines for public schools. Whether or not American Schools are over-disciplined or should be moved in that direction is an entirely different debate in general and school uniforms are unproven in helping in a positive manner. 2.) Again, school uniforms are unproven in helping keep rules in line. School uniforms will not change the differences between who has more money, race, physical looks, religion, political views, and which music is better that most if not all bullying is over. My opponent also fails to state that a courtroom is a formal environment in which people including the judge should be dressed up. Which is the reasons why clients, lawyers and any witnesses should and usually dress in formal attire. Comparing public schools to the courtroom is comparing apple and oranges. 3.) Social pressure would encourage bullying, which my opponent just stated school uniforms would help stop. So which is it my opponent? Once again, students rarely argue and have competitions over expensive fashion fads. The larger point is that if the schools cannot enforce the rules such as keeping a neat school uniform, then why have them? 4.) School Uniforms do not help in doing the best job of teaching or learning possible. Students being bullied due to their personality and actions only hinders that student's learning ability. 5.) I do not need to give reasons to support that because it's simply true. No student wants to be forced into doing something. Which is one of the main reasons that students hate school in the first place because they impose things such as school uniforms onto students that is both unneeded and unnecessary. My opponent is now arguing over a strict environment in this point, not school uniforms themselves. Schools being stricter or not is once again an entirely different debate. The common theme in those schools are work ethic, working longer days and more days along with better use of funding. As I will later explain, school uniforms are not a good use of funding. School uniforms also do not impose a focused environment, as shown through the point that it makes students uncomfortable. One cannot focus on their work if they are uncomfortable due to the uniform. 6.) If my opponent has problems with students wearing gang colors or being in a gang, they could simply ship the student out of the school or tell the student to change his/her clothing. Wearing outfits that provoke violence are against most school's set of rules, including my own school. Uniforms do not solve the problem of gangs, race, or other problems that are related to youth and violence. My opponent failed to refute my whole point about how rival schools will find it much easier to fight with being able to identify one another better due to school uniforms. 7.) There is a reason neither my opponent or I have touched upon until now; Cost. Simply put, school uniforms are expensive, cheaply made, and are usually out of place for certain if not all seasons. Poor schools could not afford uniforms if they wanted as they have neither the funds or the parents with such funds. School uniforms would put a burden on the students, the school, and the parents that is unneeded. Especially if the schools require more then one uniform. Spending thousands if not millions of tax dollars on school uniforms would be a huge waste of taxpayers funds. My opponent also has failed to refute that the current uniforms I have as a example are highly uncomfortable and affect the student's learning. 8.) School administration cannot be in every room at everytime. Classes in Japan and elsewhere deliver better education for reasons I listed in round 1. 9.) I decided to wait until you my opponent posted any evidence. My opponent gives the example of the LBU school district. Here is the study published by David L. Brunsma and Kerry A. Rockquemore on School Uniforms and their effects on the things my opponent talks about. http://www.geocities.com... As it says at the top: "In one sentence, this study showed that uniforms did NOT lead to an improvement in attendance, behavior, drug use, or academic achievement." This study in fact refutes my opponent's main evidence of The Long Beach Unified School District study. Along with refutes the myth that School Uniforms have a positive effect on the things my opponent has talked about through this debate. This study alone would be good enough to destroy the core basis of my opponent's argument. From my opponent's own second link about the school in Baltimore: "While it is impossible to calculate the direct effect of uniforms." One other link on a study by Darlene Williams that concerns school uniforms: http://www.gate.net... To quote the findings: "All empirical research in existence shows, beyond question that uniforms are ineffective as the magic bullet proponents claim them to be." My opponent also fails to state that private and parochial give their students more work, have higher funding being a private school along with using funding better, and in the case of private schools in the US have less students to a classroom. These reasons go along with the ones I stated in the first round when it came to schools outside the country such as Japan. My brother's charter school has at the most 13 students to a classroom, the reason their school scores higher then my public school is because teachers can sit down with students and spend more time helping them with their work rather there being 30 students to a classroom. Not because of school uniforms because neither school has uniforms. These experiments given by my opponent give school uniforms credit where credit is surely not due as I've proven.

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