• PRO

    True, true, but I go to a school where we have uniforms...

    Uniforms in school

    True, true, but I go to a school where we have uniforms and we often have non-uniform days so that we can still get to express our creativity. I certainly get where you are coming from though. Uniforms are also most of the time cheaper. For example you could just spent $150 on uniforms but spend $500 on regular clothes. I am still for uniforms.

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Uniforms-in-school/2/
  • CON

    school uniforms are just wrong. ... unless you are in a...

    school uniforms

    school uniforms are just wrong. unless you are in a privatwe school you should not have to pay a large sum of money to wear a uniform. the reason children go to a public school is that they might not have as much money as everyone else. another problem with the uniforms is that kids should be able to express themselves anyway they want.

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/school-uniforms/1/
  • CON

    Later it will be easier to find the other group because...

    School uniforms

    With uniforms, you don't follow your peers, you follow the rules. With uniforms you learn how to listen to rules. Without uniforms, you would buy what your peers buy, if you actually read my arguments." Well buddy, when you rebuttal you are not supposed to be disrespectful or you will lose votes. "Picking the same clothes does not make you lazy." It tells people that you don't care for hygiene and it does show you are lazy because everyone knows you have more clothes and so do you. If you are just going to choose the same clothes over and over it will bother your surroundings. Argument: I agree with my opponent when she said: "With uniforms, it would be easier to understand if a child is in your school or not. Let's say you go on a field trip and your class splits up into 2 groups. Later it will be easier to find the other group because they are easily distinguished by their uniforms." But many schools use the same uniforms so one of the kids can wonder off and go into another school group and the teacher won't notice because that student has the same uniform.

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/School-uniforms/29/
  • CON

    The next reason is a direct result of the first. ......

    School Uniforms

    I accept this debate. The first and most obvious problem with uniforms is that they detract from student individuality and self-expression. A big part of schools is the social aspect and school uniforms limit that. Kids want to be able to show who they are and uniforms don't allow for that. It would be hypocritical for schools to celebrate diversity in culture and background then tell all the students that they must all be the same. For these reasons, uniforms are generally quite unpopular with students, mainly those in high school. The next reason is a direct result of the first. Because the students can't show individuality through their choice in clothing, they will show it through less desirable methods. These methods include altering the uniforms, tattoos, piercings, etc..., which kind of defeats the purpose of the uniforms. The final problem with the uniforms would be the difficulty in enforcing it. While most students would wear the uniforms, many would modify or incorrectly wear them, as I said above. This would cause teachers to have to be constantly on the watch for all the small details every day. They would cause the teachers more trouble than they're worth. On to my opponent's arguments! My opponent first says that uniforms may be expensive, but they stop bullying. She is right when she says that they can be expensive for poorer parents, which helps my case. The part about uniforms stopping bullying, on the other had, is incorrect. Uniforms may reduce bullying for the way the victim dresses, but they do not solve the root problem. Bullies will find other reasons to pick on kids, so the bullying argument doesn't help the Pro. My opponent also says that uniforms will reduce the amount of time it takes to get ready in the morning, which is true, but this is not important enough to be considered a real argument. Saving a few minutes in the morning is not important when weighed with the other issues here.

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/School-Uniforms/17/
  • PRO

    Then there is also the the respect factor, without...

    School Uniforms

    There is no way to show that conformity at a young age, elementary school and some high schools, would make children machines. Discipline is important at an early age in a child's life. Without Discipline, children will grow up not knowing how to face certain obstacles. Then there is also the the respect factor, without discipline it can be said that there will not be respect for others. According to lbschools.net, Schools where uniforms are required have seen a 95 percent decrease in crime, 90 percent decrease in suspensions, and vandalism on school property decreased by 69 percent. Also in Long Beach, California, where school uniforms are required almost everywhere since 1995, the average cost of uniforms per year is roughly $60 to $70.

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/School-Uniforms/32/
  • CON

    Does that mean people have to be comfortable for every...

    Uniforms at School!

    Thank You Pro for this wonderful debate. "I agree" Well that's good. "it is entirely likely that the only reason the bully was picking on the kid in the first place was because of what the kid was wearing. If clothing no longer mattered then this would no longer be a problem" Sure, but no evidence has been shown that they will stop bullying just at that single point. "Well you suggested that bullies would bully somebody over the weekends. I'm suggesting that the bully would not want to waste time looking for somebody to bully over the weekends. Usually this is done at school. But this is getting off topic. This debate is about uniforms" I did... After *you*'suggested that it was the new solution to bullying. Also, notice how Pro gives no sources to support most bullying taking place at school. "Somebody who wore uniforms all his/her life would not nothing else. In other words, there would be different expectations on clothing and people would not feel uncomfortable." "Not nothing else" I don't think I could respond to he first sentence, sorry mate. I would say that if a girl feels uncomfortable in a skirt, they feel uncomfortable in a skirt. We also have the problem now that Pro dodges the argument I made regarding how uniforms restrict more active kids. "Days, weeks, months. It varies" Yet again, no source. "uniforms are uncomfortable" I'll count this as a concession? "Does that mean people have to be comfortable for every hour of their lives?" Of course not, I never said that. I do believe that people should not be forced into discomfort. Also, Pro ignores the fact that people don't have to be "Uncomfortable" or "comfortable," every second of life. It could be neither actually. "Also, I would like to point out that with modern technology, uniforms can become very comfortable" How? You haven't provided a source, and you still have yet to go into any detail regarding this modern technology. "As comfortable as regular clothes" Yet again, I can't just take your word. I need a source to prove this mate. "Children get free education at school so yes, they should respect the school" Yet again, there are many other ways to pay your respects as you even admitted with the analogy regarding USA. You ignored a neutral viewpoint argument, and pretty much everything I have said in this section of arguments. Pro also ignored the fact that not every single student in America gets free school- Some actually go to a private school, and pay for it. "For some reason, the government can afford tens of thousands of dollars on sports. New soccer and football fields every 10 years or so. So yes, I think the government/school can afford the money for uniforms" No sources to prove this. Pro has so far presented no plan on how to get the money. We have a debt problem you know. [1] "Students don't listen to dress codes. That is a big problem today. Also, if there were uniforms then there would be no need for dress codes" Sure, but no proof has been showed that all students ignore the dress code. "When I went to school, there were many people who noticeably wore different clothes every day (including shoes). Many people even admitted to wearing 7 different outfits per week" In the last round, you were referring to days, not weeks. Also, this is a logical fallacy... [2] Yet again he fails to provide a single source. "My opponent will have to show that it is impossible to express yourself when kids have to wear uniforms" This is a very outrageous claim made by Pro. I said it was *harder* to express yourself, as it limits your options drastically. "I provided statistics that suggest that students do better at school if uniforms were put into place" "I explained how students who wear uniforms at school will learn how to dress appropriately when they have a job in the future" This was countered by me suggesting that students would follow the dress code for work as they did for school, which was then never addressed by Pro again... "My opponent constantly tried to say that I presented no proof. However my opponent didn't present too much either" Another logical fallacy. [3] "He did not prove that bullies would find something else to bully about if a student wore uniforms. " You're right I never did. We both couldn't find any statistics, and you agreed to that before... "I agree" "Also, my opponent never really proved that bullies would purposely try and seek out the person they want to bully over the weekends" I never said they would, I just pointed out that on the weekends the bully's may see the child and bully him/her. It does not nullify all clothing related abuse in other words... Pro did state at one point of the debate that this would be a law. The problems of this is that he never figured out how the government could afford this, he never properly addressed that it limits captivity and how one could express themselves, nor did he address properly how kids would be restricted in the uniforms and could not do many different activities. I suggest Pro did not meet his burden of proof. [1] http://useconomy.about.com... [2] https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com... [3] https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com...

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/Uniforms-at-School/1/
  • CON

    School uniforms may also cause kids and parents to be...

    School Uniforms

    I don't see the point in school uniforms. They don't make you less distracted, or confident. In fact, they make you more so. School uniforms make you focus more on what your wearing because you might hate the choice of style. If you do (which most of the kids do), you will be focused on how to improve it. Since they have no choice in what they wear, they will try to improve every little detail to draw away from the clothes (Acne, makeup, etc.) I know this from experience. School uniforms may also cause kids and parents to be unhappy and complain to the office (I know that from experience too) which would cause even more trouble. There will be no more color. Everywhere you look people wearing the same thing, that's a nightmare! Why on earth would anyone want that? The whole "purpose" of school uniforms is to draw attention away from clothes and your appearance, but as I already explained, it draws more attention, and more stress. You choose your clothes on how they look on you. School uniforms look good on almost no one. Also, If you have to buy your own uniform (Grey bottom, white top) for instance, kids would still be picked on. In this generation, if you wear the same style of clothes, but if one costs more, the other will get picked on. I am in middle school, and I also know this from experience. And yes, by the way some kind of fabrics are very itchy.

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/School-Uniforms/31/
  • PRO

    Yes, we can nurture creativity in younger schools, but...

    School Uniforms

    I don't believe they would be learning how to dress themselves appropriately. Having a school dress code will just make them feel more restricted. Girls these days can't even wear knee high shorts to school because boys "find it distracting." Girls are taken out of exams and tests because they are "distracting." Because of the way girls dress even with a dress code is "distracting" and apparently their school education needs to be evoked from them until they put a sweatshirt on or get longer pants. Really? That's just wrong. With school uniforms no teacher can say a girl or boy is being "distracting." They are wearing the exact same thing. Yes, we can nurture creativity in younger schools, but once they get older they should know how to be responsible and how to dress outside of school, and school uniforms will help with that. Because they won't be dressing recklessly with their uniforms(because dress code would be enforced) they will know how to apply modesty to their everyday clothing once outside of Because they won't be dressing recklessly with their uniforms(because dress code would be enforced) they will know how to apply modesty to their everyday clothing once outside of school.

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/School-Uniforms/75/
  • CON

    School uniforms are a bad idea because the kids wear...

    School uniforms

    School uniforms are a bad idea because the kids wear these uniforms all week. Their regular clothing is rarely used because they only wear them on the weekends.

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/School-uniforms/26/
  • PRO

    Nobody want's to be judged by how they look as it would...

    school uniforms

    I would first like to thank Kai11 for challenging me to this debate. School uniforms are a necessity in everyday life as, it helps people not to be classed by how good their clothes look, or if they are poor, rich etc. Nobody want's to be judged by how they look as it would be degrading to that person if they are then compared to one of the richest people in school. Not having school uniforms would also create distrust among the students as they would all be split up into groups based on how much money they have and how 'good' they look, the school would basically be divided into sections. This would make it harder for teacher also as they would not be able to keep track of everything that is going on. School uniforms also makes it easier for the school to keep track of it's students when you go on excursions, if you are all in different clothes it would make it harder for teachers to find out who are the students and who are the children walking past them on the road! This is all I have time for at the moment!

    • https://www.debate.org/debates/school-uniforms/39/